Lengberg Castle brassiere – comparison

On me blog post “Lengberg Castle brassiere, it works!” I added a comparison picture between a modern bra and my Lengberg castle bra dress, but the pictures were taken one year apart and from different angles so they did not really show the true difference but perhaps more of my body one year apart. ;)

So I decided to take some new pictures to show it from more angles as well.

Lengberg Castle brassiere - comparison front
To the left is the modern under wire bra and to the right is my Lengberg castle brassiere dress.
The most noticable difference is how it sits under the bust. It is strange since the modern bra sits tighter just under the bust then the Lengberg castle brassiere does, but still the medieval bra makes the dress sit tighter under the bust. The Lengberg castle brassiere gives me slightly more waist definition, it is not strange as it goes further down to my waist then my modern bra and since I am quite soft the Lengberg castle brassiere pulls my waist in a bit. Add that the Lengberg castle brassiere have a skirt part on it it also builds slightly on my hips, it does not really show in this picture but it shows from the side and gives the illusion of a slimmer waist as well.
My breast look a tad rounder to, also strange since I wear a balconette bra that with my modern clothings gives a very rounded bust.

Lengberg Castle brassiere - comparison side
To the left is the modern under wire bra and to the right is my Lengberg castle brassiere dress.
Here you see it, that the skirt part have given me more stomach then with my modern bra. I had not noticed this in real life, you can see that the dress goes in under the bust more as well. I am guessing that this is because of the pleated skirt that is on the Lengberg castle brassiere and it gives me the slightly pregnant oh so trendy 14th century posture.

Lengberg Castle brassiere - comparison back
To the left is the modern under wire bra and to the right is my Lengberg castle brassiere dress.
Over all the Lengberg castle brassiere gives me a smoother look and you can see here as well that it makes me even more hippy then I am from the start and defines my waist a bit more.

So there you have it, this is the difference on me between wearing my modern under wire bra (that really fits well) and me wearing my Lengberg castle brassiere dress. There is a difference in how the dress sits on me but the function of the two brassieres are the same, it keeps my breasts happy and where they should be all day.

My other posts about the Lengberg Castle brassiere.

Lengberg Castle brassiere
Lengberg Castle brassiere – It works

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14 thoughts on “Lengberg Castle brassiere – comparison

  1. Thanks for the pics. I’ve been thinking about making period underwear for my garb as I find the modern bras are uncomfortable under the dresses.

  2. Thank you so much for these posts! I got really excited when the photos were released, but you’ve delved much deeper into it, and better than anyone else I’ve seen. I really appreciate the time you’ve taken to make it clear for anyone who reads your blog. Keep up the good work!

  3. Hi! I was directed to this post by a friend on Fb. After reading your previous posts on this brassiere, I think we have similar measurements, so now I’m thinking I need to make some of these bras for my modern clothes! (Because underwires are eeeeeeeeeeevil!)

    One thing I noticed on the profile picture, I wonder if the stomach change is at least partially due to posture? In the modern bra, your shoulders are up & back (“proper” posture); in the reproduction, you seem to have let your shoulders fall to a more “natural” position. Speaking from my own experience, I can verify that changing the positions of the shoulders changes the profile of my stomach immensely! (If I relax my shoulders, I get something very similar to 14th-century-trendy pregnancy belly. Otherwise, I just have a small “pooch” because of how my waist/hips interact.)

  4. I’m interested in your theory of using what appears to be the body of a Greenland Gon and the sleeve of the Moy Gown. Could you explain. I love the cut of the Greenland but have been told by many that it was not what was worn in 14th England or France. Would love to hear your opinion.

    Thanks

  5. @Monique Tracy Stuart Troth I think that it is trick of the eye that it looks like I have a different posture, When putting together the pictures for this post I put one picture over the other to make them the same size and zoom and I used the arms in that particular picture as my guide and the difference between them is not that big at all so I don’t think that the posture is what gives me the pregnant belly but more the skirt of the bra dress. :)

    @Carla Yes I am using a sleeve that is set deeply into the back as the Moy gown sleeves on a Greenland gown. The people that lived on Greenland in the 14th century were Norwegian and traded with Europe so there is no reason why they would not have access to the ideals and fashions of that time. In Sweden there is a extant dress “The Golden Gown of Queen Margareta” that is dated to early 15th century with similar deep set sleeves as the Moy Gown. So my thinking is this, the grande asiette style of sleeve can be found in both England (Moy Gown), Sweden (Margareta gown) and France (The pourpoint of Charles de Bloi), There is no reason that the Greenland type of cut was not used in England or France.
    Sure there is no extant pieces found in England or France, but why would they not have used the same fitting techniques? It does provide a good fit of the bust and gives a full skirt that you can see in many pictures, a fullness that can be hard to achieve with the Moy gown cut of dress with gussets in the front, back and sides, the skirt parts falls slightly different and it gives a different look to the skirt.
    Those are my thoughts on the subject, I hope you can follow along my ramblings, .;)

  6. Thank you so much. I wish I had more people in my Kingdom that thought as you and I do. I struggle every time I enter a gown made with influences of the Greenland gowns and get a road block. Many believe that the Gothic Fitted Gown is the way the dresses were made in Europe and that Greenland would not have had up to date styles as the European women would have had. They strongly believe that these style lines are created with only four panels and really have nothing to back up their perspective. Do you have any information on the trade between Greenland and Europe? Would love to hear.

  7. @Carla Jared Diamond’s book Collapse, has a very good description of the Greenland settlement and it’s ties to Europe.

  8. This is startling to me. I’m newish to reenactment, and I don’t sew (yet), and never would have thought that just the underthings could make such a difference. I don’t know why I wouldn’t think of that, though, because I know what a difference it makes with different modern ones! You are educating me so nicely, with this dress and all its accoutrements. Now I wish I could have you make this for me and my measurements, because you’re very skilled at this! I’ll content myself with deciding to get skilled, too.

  9. I hope you don’t mind: I#ve put those pictures on my Pinterest board. Tahnks so much.

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